Chinese Ning Hai

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    I might be crazy for trying this but I thought it would be cool to practice some 3D modeling with the Chinese Ning Hai. Oddly enough, the issue I have ran into is marking the water line. The math (with the density of water) says that the max displacement for the current scale is 1.35lbs. However, the ship list states 2.7lbs. Any ideas on what I am missing?

    Or I could scale the ship by 130% which I can't do either.
     
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    I guess I have cut away too much?

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    Bodies (1)
    Area 317.666 in^2
    Density 0.578 ouncemass / in^3
    Mass 21.536 ouncemass
    Volume 37.257 in^3
    Physical Material Water
    Appearance Water - Clear

    Bounding Box
    Length 3.271 in
    Width 29.977 in
    Height 2.54 in
    Center of Mass 0.00 in, 14.175 in, -1.513 in

    Moment of Inertia at Center of Mass (ouncemass in^2)
    Ixx = 1251.794
    Ixy = -0.111
    Ixz = -0.003
    Iyx = -0.111
    Iyy = 30.112
    Iyz = 24.231
    Izx = -0.003
    Izy = 24.231
    Izz = 1261.834

    Moment of Inertia at Origin (ouncemass in^2)
    Ixx = 5628.559
    Ixy = -0.22
    Ixz = 0.008
    Iyx = -0.22
    Iyy = 79.419
    Iyz = 486.151
    Izx = 0.008
    Izy = 486.151
    Izz = 5589.293
     
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    Alright, I think I got myself straitened out but my original question still stands. I can't make the Ning Hai to a weight of 2.7lbs as listed in the ship list.

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    But i am pretty proud of myself for more or less completing my first 3D hull!
     
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    Class 2 and below get an extra pound which is how ships that size end up with a large % difference in max weight vs scale. To add an extra pound, you’ll need to increase the depth of the hull. You can calculate the added depth by taking the plane area at the scale waterline, then convert the added weight to a volume of water, and divide the volume by the plane area. Based on my experience with a vessel about the same size, you’ll need about 0.6” of extra freeboard. I usually stretch the hull sections in the middle so you don’t have a non-scale bottom shape and the deck is also a scale shape
     
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    So I can't just scale it in the Y direction? lol!
     
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    It looks like you have already cut out the middle of the hull shape?
    If so, then afaik, the system is providing you the water displacement of the hull walls and is not including the inner section you have already cut out.

    Put differently, try rolling back the time line to a point where the hull was completely a solid chunk & try again.
     
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    Yup. That was the issue. I hollowed out the center to early.

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    Now the fun part. What size prop do you even use on something this tiny?
     
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    Unless I go ridiculously far back, looks like I can get about 9/16" prop in there
     
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    So, couple things. You should really move a rib to the step. That's a weak point as it sits.
    Angle the shaft down till you can fit at least a 1" in prop. I doubt you will be able to get to speed with anything smaller.
    Looks good though!
     
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    Nice. I was curious about the prop shaft down angle.
    Thanks for the rib tip.
     
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    What kind of down angle are we talking about here? This is 5 degrees. That puts a 1" prop, 1" away from the hull. Does that seem right?

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    Admittedly, I’m a big gunner… but…

    It’s a 3lbs cruiser….. does it really need 1” prop to make speed? I would think 1/2” that would get that feather to 22speed.
     
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    It would...in a week. Lol
     
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    Well, if ya’ll stop driving backward…. ;)
     
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    im unclear at which step in the modeling I do this. Should I model the hull, mark the water line, scale the lower half?