After watching the MWC 2013 Nats videos I've decided to resume the HMS Vanguard build that's been on hold for a few years. If I can persuade Steve Hill to resume his, which was more advanced, we could build them together. Could the two (or more) MWC captains who operate Vanguards describe their equipment and internal layout? From their rapid firing the ones in the videos musty must use firing boards and solenoids.
I don't run one but looked inside of them. They us all the top of the line stuff. Cutting corners at any point would make a Vanguard a big target. Wood hulls Cast Kort Nozzel props from Prop shop Traxxas gear boxes with water cooled high speed high torgue motors Stainless steel shafts high torgue rudder servo in a water tight box. Schilling rudder, extra Schilling on top LiFe batteries, 60 amps worth or was it only 40... two custom pumps with Titan motors two CO2 bottles/regulators with extra large hoses to the guns Custom built guns firing boards I don't think they had ESCs, might be the only place they went old school.
Thanks for the information Bob. Those are really high end models! The wooden hulls explain why they looked subtly different from my (now Strike's) fiberglass Vanguard hulls. Their freeboard looks a tad lower and the rise of the forecastle doesn't seem as sharp. What is the extra Shilling rudder 'on top', a Shilling rudder with an extra hinged section at the rear? Did they have props from a Kort Nozzle or the actual Kort Nozzle with the circular housings around the props? That would explain them being a lot more maneuverable than I expected. Unfortunately I can't use Kort Nozzles or the extra Shilling type rudder on an IRCWCC or Treaty model. A basic Shilling rudder might be OK without the top and bottom plates. Adding plates to the ends of the cruciform rudders on a sci-fi R/C sub I built in the 1980s definitely improved turning and diving response.
Actually, now that Bob mentions it, those rudders they ran with two Schilling profiles are illegal because the step between the two Schilling contours constitutes a vertical feature, which got banned a few years ago in MWC. So they're illegal in MWC and IRCWCC.
Do you have a picture of this vertical feature? The only pic I've seen of them was taken from the bottom and doesnt show anything that would be illegal in MWCI or IRCWCC.
I was going by Bob H's description. If they don't have two different Schilling sections (one lower, and one at the top of the rudder) then that's all good. In the interest of not hijacking Bob P's Vanguard build thread with our discussion, I move we adjourn to a different forum for a rudder discussion Sorry, Bob, looking forward to seeing your Vanguard come to life!
I saw that video too and I am impressed on how they both handled. They looked correct as far as thier waterline as Vanguard sat low in the water however the sheer of the bow made all the difference. Vanguard's draft is quite deep to provide better stability. These 2 Vanguard looked quited dangerous on the water and seemed to be very effective.
The extra Schilling on top was a funny comment on my part. Like saying extra sprinkles on top of your ice cream. See how this e-mail/forum stuff is a bad way to communicate. They do not have the rings to make a real kort nozzle. Just the prop style that Prop Shop sells is called kort nozzel. They are not as directional as other cast props so you don't lose the forward acceleration if you put them on backwards to stop and back up faster. About as close to the non directional soldered props as you can get in a cast prop.
Would be nice to see some pictures of this "Schilling rudder, extra Schilling on top" so we can better understand it before we all go jumping to conclusions. Perhaps the captain of the Vaguards could weigh in and show off their ships here?
