looking for a prinz eugen hull

looking for a prinz eugen hull. and or plans.

 

Have you checked Barnstormer Boats? I believe Ralph Coles up in Canada also used to make an Admiral Hipper hull (slightly shorter then an Eugen).

Mike D

 

Don't know him... but, if info is posted on PE please forward.

 

Yea i heard that barnstormer was selling them too actually its the only one that they really have posted there except for a few others like the iowa

 

I have actually bought one of his PE hulls. Very nice. It was before he had the superstructure bits available.

He is more responsive to phone calls (leave a message) than to e-mails imho.

Cheers,

 

Yes I ordered a Baltimore class hull from him with a deposit November 29, 2006 and he is not replying to my emails. anyone have a phone number for him. I missed a whole season would like to get my hull some time in the next year or so or my money back if some one knows an another dealer for Baltimore Hulls

 

Battler's connection is now selling a Prinz Eugen hull...

Mike D

 

Hey guys does any one have his number? He has my hull to make the balitmore from and I can not get him to answer back.Powder Monkey if you get a hold of him let me know. If you get some back drop me a line and I would be glad to build you a wood hull, am looking at new process of fiberglass to a wood subdeck. I am building a Rochester for a guy now , he has pics on this site , ship is for big gun.

 

I would contact Battlers Connection. I've gotten hulls from them and they are very nice.
Bobo

 

My NC hull is nice.

 

I contacted them they have no plans to build a Baltimore class in the near future and still no reply from Barnstormers

 

I am pretty sure there is no other dealer for Baltimore hulls. They are not a popular class of ships for a variety of reasons, so the demand is pretty low. Your best bet is to build one of wood on your own.

Mike D

 

Okay thanks but now you got my curiosity up what are the reasons it is not a popular class of ships

 

Well, there are a few reasons which contribute to that. In the IRCWCC, cruisers don't have any extra speed over battleships, so cruisers in general aren't overly popular as they are primarily targets which can't escape the hard hitting BBs. Their length also works against them, because their turning isn't too hot. A captain who wants a cruiser there is better off with something like a Cleveland because it's much shorter, even if it has .5 units less.

In the MWC, cruisers have a little more speed (23 seconds) so they can attempt to escape from battleships. Larger cruisers of the Des Moines class though, have a bonus to rudder area, which brings their turning to about on par with the Baltimore. Both have 3.5 units, but the Des Moines due to its larger size has more room inside, potentially more stability, and more reserve buoyancy. So, Des Moines has an edge over the Baltimore in the MWC as well.

In big gun, most effective cruisers seem to be torpedo carriers. The Baltimores have none, so they are forced to fight as little battleships. With less armor, buoyancy, smaller guns, and not much more effective speed then a battleship (33 knots) performance wise, they are nice juicy targets which don't have the power to respond in kind to the battleships. It's probably also much more difficult to fit everything into a 14,000 ton heavy cruiser then it is in a 35,000 ton battleship.

That leaves the guys who build ships because they like them. The Baltimores aren't exactly "lookers". Most people think the Des Moines is more aesthetically pleasing (although there are a few modified Baltimores out there which look very similar: The Oregon City class) Also, they fought in very few actions beyond being carrier escorts and the occasional surface bombardment, so they don't have a great deal of interesting history to attract builders. That pretty much leaves the "My relative served on the " so I want to build it. There's just not many of those guys out there (even though my Grandfather served on the USS Pittsburgh!).

So, in conclusion, they aren't BAD ships, there just aren't many reasons to build them instead of something else. Performance wise in either of the fast gun clubs you're probably better or equally well off with the already available Cleveland or Des Moines classes. For big gun, you'd want something fast with torpedoes if you want to run a cruiser. For the Allies, Omaha and Kirov come to mind. Beyond the performance they don't have the history to attract the guys on the fence who might otherwise be interested in building one (part of why you see the USS Salt Lake City in my sig, and not my grandpa's USS Pittsburgh).

That all being said, if you REALLY want a Baltimore, build it! They aren't AWFUL ships, they are probably just slightly below either the Des Moines or Cleveland, and you'll have something different on the water as opposed to Des Moines #4.

Mike D

 

okay thanks, wow that puts it out there doesn’t it. well I guess you can put me in the I Live there and like to be different so at least you will know it is me as the big ship puts me under LOL thanks for the info see you on the pond I hope

 

How "scale" do you want to get? Something you might wish to look at is getting a Des Moines hull and cutting it down. Just cut the hull in half, remove unwanted length and re-attach the ends of the hull. It's not a perfect solution, but the lines are fairly close, and the beam is close enough to be legal I believe. It's a little additional work (work I am not positive how to do, but I have heard of other people lengthening/shortening hulls, so I know its doable) so it's something that might be worth looking into.

Or if you're feeling kinda lazy, you could build the Des Moines class USS Salem (which is a museum now near Boston....Quincy maybe?). It would be convenient to check out the actual ship while you're building yours so you can see the details first hand.

Personally, I'd prefer to actually see someone (such as you!) do a Baltimore though, simply because I like ships that are different, and the Des Moines class ships have even less history then the Baltimores did. I've seen a few different Des Moines class ships in the hobby, but no Baltos. I'd really look long and hard to see if shortening a Des Moines would be do-able for you to build the ship you want.

Mike D

 

bc does have the hull

 

We have two Baltimore's here in MN. One is done and battled last year the other is close and will battle next year.
I'm not big on looks so I'll leave the "how good they look" to other guys.
The builders here have had issues keeping the ships at weight. Had to cut a bunch of stuff out and get a smaller battery. They turn and generaly perform like a Des Moines. They will be a good ship in the MWC but the other clubs, not so good. Because of the weight issues, and the fact you have to build a wood hull (Takes a long time) I'd go with a Des Moines from BC before the Baltimore.

 

Actually, I just did some math on it, and the beam of the Des Moines hull is too great to make the modification and be legal. It looks like building your own wooden hull is really your only option, or making a plug, then a mold, and molding your own Baltimore hull. Sorry that idea wouldnt work :/

Mike D