Ship List Information

So what catagories would be needed? Here is my tentative list.
Class Name
Number in Class
Date
Primary Guns - Number and Size
Secondary Guns - Number and Size
Torpedo Tubes with a notation for Submerged tubes
Armor (Balsa thickness)
Model Speed
Model Length (o/a)
Model Width (max beam)
Model Weight
Number of Shafts
Number of Rudders
Pump Capacity(?)

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
A.

 

^^ I seem to have forgotten Nationality.

Perhaps faction could be included...but that should be be obvious.

 

Date - is this Lauch date? Also, the original Battlestations specified that the ship had to be in service between 1905-1945, not launched. Am I right? Does this mean that really old, slow and ugly battleships could be built if they were used during WWI?

Secondary Guns - original Rules state any gun above 3" (76mm). This means that ships like Bismark, with separate AA and surface secondaries will have more than 1 caliber allowed.

Torpedo Tubes- Some torpedo tubes were fixed, but above the waterline. Perhaps we need a notation for that too.

 

Me wrong. Wishful thinking....

 

For single purpose gun mounts it would be easy enough to list then as tertiaries. If a mount was intended as an AA gun it would not be listed. The US 5"/38 dual mounts would count as secondaries.

Maybe a footnote for the types of tubes? I don't mean to do a total history just a brief note.

The current state of the rules covers ships launched between 1905 and 1945. So if it was a predreadnaught launched in 1905 it would be on the list. Not really sure what to do about a class of ships launched over a number of years that straddle the line. I prefer excluding such.

 

I think between all the posters on this board we should have the reference books covered well. I was going to basically base everything on Conway's, which seems to be the bible of the industry as it were, and they have good coverage of even the hypotheticals.

I have not yet decided between Word and Excel. Probably will use the former as it is a bit less hassle. Will experiment first.

From what talk I have heard I guess I should be starting with the WW2 ships and work backwards. Probably with a smaller navy...Germany or France.

Cruisers, Battleships then Destroyers and Submarines? Any preference on priorities?

 

I would recommend Excel, if you know how to use it or can learn from the help files. My brother made a scoresheet for WWCC battles in excel. It has entries for individual models, individual skippers, separate pages for each battle day, and several pages devoted to calculating yearlong statistics. He can enter the hole counts from each ship, along with performance notes such as sunk, surrendered, DNR, or cargo points, and the scoresheet automatically calculates which team won the sortie. It also automatically calculates statistics for the sortie and updates each skipper and ship's yearly statistics. He can then view the master ship/skipper page and sort by class of ship, tonnage, number of times sunk, various damage statistics, and win/loss ratios.

Of course it took a long time and a lot of learning to create, but now he has a template for future years and its incredibly easy to navigate. All we need now is a laptop to bring to the pond, and we'll never have to worry about arithmetic errors again.

As for what data to include for each ship, I'd like to see a little more about each weapon. For guns, it would be nice to see the layout. For example, two quadruple turrets vs four twin turrets. For torpedoes, I'd be nice to know their layout and placement. For example, a quad torpedo launcher mounted centerline on the main deck, vs four triple torpedoes wing-mounted (side by side) through the side of the hull, vs a single launcher mounted in the bow below the waterline. Of course, that is a lot to ask for, so please think of it as a wish-list item, not a necessity for survival.

 

Hi,
I have a comma-delimited data file which contains data for the ships. I also have a program which creates the file by parsing the HTML.
I could update the program to include the new columns (empty of course) and eliminate the columns not in use, or not applicable to the 1/96 ruleset. I could also set it to caluclate the model length and width.
At the very least it could save you from typing the ship names.
If you are interested contact me off-line.

 

That would be a dandy starting point.

Thanks.

 

I had thought about including information on torpedo reloads as I can see that could be an issue. As for tube location that could be indicated by a couple of letters. cl = centerline, su = submerged, b = bow, etc.

 

Checking with the old Battlestations rules I have come up with a weight conversion table. The old standard seems to take the tonnage of the real ship and divide by 395. (actually 394.95 or some such) Should start working on the spreadsheet this coming weekend.

Pax,
A.

 

the formula for converting the actual ship weight to scale is as follows:
(actual weight in tons)x(2204/ton)x(1/96)^3= 1/96 scale model weight
P.S. ship weight is usually given in metric tons, not short tons (2000lbs)

 

Thanks, that is quite helpful.

Being a history/archives type let me make sure I put it in a mode I understand
Ships actual displacement multiply by 2204
that is multiplied by the cube of 1 divided by 96?
Or do you divide the whole thing then cube the result?


Pax,
A.

 

Don't know if it helps or not, but here's the calculation used by the old Battlestations group (in the Ship Registry web pages):

scale weight = ( (displacement in metric tons) * 2204) / 884736

The divide by 884736 is equivalent to multiplying by (1/96)^3, but is a little easier to type. []

Carl

 

I will plug this into the program I made and generate the numbers.

 

It does...some of us liberal arts types are mathematically challenged.

 

Do we have speed table decided upon so that I can include the scale speed in the list? I have a column for speed and that is all that needs to be added. I have done the list for the High Seas Fleet save for the speed and need information on rudders. Conway's lacks it.

Pax,
A.