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Discussion in 'Weapons & Pneumatics' started by BoomerBoy17, Sep 29, 2008.

  1. BoomerBoy17

    BoomerBoy17 Active Member

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    Why does the IRCWCC have 1/4 units in their rules? I have yet to see or even hear of 1/4 units. what are they for, why are they there, can you use them????

    Rules: from ircwcc.org E. CANNONS
    1. A cannon is an offensive battle unit which shall not fire any projectile other than a standard BB (.177" diameter steel shot).
    2. Maximum cannon firing pressure shall not exceed 150 p.s.i. Use of chlorofluorocarbons (CFC's) or other ozone depleting chemicals as a propellant is prohibited.
    3. Cannon units are defined as follows:
    a. A one unit cannon carries a load of 50 BB’s if fired single shot, or 15 BB’s if spurted.
    b. A ½ unit cannon carries 25 BB’s if fired single shot, or 10 BB’s if spurted.
    c. A ¼ unit cannon carries 12 BB’s if fired single shot, or 5 BB’s if spurted.
    4. A ½ unit cannon magazine may be added to a 1 unit cannon magazine, making a one and one-half (1½) unit single shot cannon with 75 BB’s.
    5. Except as provided in section 11.e, below, a ship may mount only a single one-half (½) unit cannon in its offensive armament, and a whole cannon unit shall not be divided into smaller (½ or ¼) unit cannons.
     
  2. rarena

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    That's a good question, I have never heard of 1/4 units. Warspite (Marty) could shine more light on that one but I'm sure it's about really small unit boats.
     
  3. BoomerBoy17

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    i know, i was kinda hoping he would see this and chime in
     
  4. warspiteIRC

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    Well, until the rule that allowed the Class two and below to divide units, it truly was useless! No ship in the IRC has less than 1 unit and none were ever given 1/4 units such as: 1,25 units.

    Now, the smaller ships could use them and make a destroyer with a half unit pump and two 1/4 unit guns.

    I suspect that the 1/4 unit gun go into the rule package by acident when someone said "let's difine the guns" without any thought of how a 1/4 unit could be used.

    Marty Hayes
     
  5. GregMcFadden

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    Ships in Class 2 or smaller may use their battle units in one-half unit increments for either cannons or pumps.


    marty, the online rules seem to preclude you from using the 1/4's as well.
     
  6. Tugboat

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    I beleive that it was included int he rules as an example of a prohibited arrangement. Myself, I think that .5 unit ships like DE's should be allowed a 1/4 unit gun and a 1/4 unit pump (neither exists currently, just an idea).
     
  7. BoomerBoy17

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    i think that solves it. Thanks guys.
     
  8. warspiteIRC

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    I think that you guys are right, it is left over from previous revisions and can not presently be used in any configuration.

    Marty Hayes
     
  9. BoomerBoy17

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    looks like something should be trimmed out of the rules
     
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    What would a 1/4 unit gun be? 12 or 13 shots? Or would you make the lucky owner cut a bb in half for the mathematically correct 12.5?
     
  11. BoomerBoy17

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    yea, were gonna start throwing half bbs at each other
     
  12. Tugboat

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    If someone actually managed to arm a destroyer escort, I'd give him the extra half BB out of respect :) 13 rounds!
     
  13. rarena

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    the half bb is the last one in the magazine that rolls out on the deck because the damn small co2 tank ran out after the 12th one [:0]
     
  14. BoomerBoy17

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    Tug i agree with you. They are tiny, and 1 extra BB out of respect. How kind of you!
     
  15. Bryan

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    I often wondered if in IRCWCC combat
    I could take a small torpedo boat
    and just put in a accumulator tank to
    carry 150psi and a small spurt cannon
    (like 1/4 unit) I have to believe that
    this might make the ship actually usable
    in a combat sense, or I'm just crazy.

    What criteria is used to determine[:D] a ships units
    if we could come up with some of the units for
    some of the smaller ships it would make it interesting
    well again just me musing.
     
  16. BoomerBoy17

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    Thats possible, but much more likely if your using a spurt cannon that uses all of the rounds. And a small ship can only carry so much ammo and CO2, so we cant give them too much. Besides carriers getting no guns in the ircwcc, i have no issue with the totem pole, if you will.