which rules (big gun)

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  1. gunner250

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    I'm wondering which rule book should go with NTBG or Western Warship Combat.
     
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    You generally go with the rules of the club that you have joined and are playing with. I believe Fast Gun is the closest to you. NTXBG is in Texas, and Western Warship Combat Club is in California.
     
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    I know this but still...
     
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    As pointed out, you should go with the rules of the club you intend to battle with.
    NTXBG (not NTBG) is in North Texas, Western Warship is in California. For what it is worth, the NTXBG rules were derived from the Midwest Battle Group (MBG). Also, for what it is worth NABGO (the North American Big Gun Open) is held under NTXBG/BGCWI rules.
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    it all depends on what you want to do. Both NTXBG and Western Warship Combat rules are very similar in their basic portions with slight differences and soe big differences. I would read through both sets of rules and weight the pros and cons (in your opinion) of both and then make a decision. I would even talk to members of both about why certain things are done differently, the reasons will actually make sense based on the given history. for example one of the differences is the rules for torpedos. NTXBG allows you to arm them all were as WWCC only allows a max 3 per side. one of the reasons for this limitation in WWCC was that arming all torps on a ship that had 20 or more or something like that gave it an unrealistic advantage against battleships or other ships. it was almost an instant kill which was a major contributing factor in the break up of a club in Southern California. Now NTXBG has not had this problem and thus has not implemented a similar rule in their rules because for them it was unnecessary. So as you can see from this limited example there are some differences but in reality both rule sets are awesome and fun to use. Can't really go wrong either way

    I personally run under WWCC rules because I battle with them and am attempting to reboot an old club out here in California using the same rules.
     
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    I think a reasonable solution would be to ban the Ooi class cruisers. Boom, no super-torpedo ships, since no one else built any that crazy.

    @Gunner250 - you've said that you want to build an Iowa, and you've indicated many times that cost is a big issue. I would say that's like saying you want a Ferrari, but want a car that gets 100 miles to the gallon. There is no cheap way to build a reliable Iowa class battleship. Especially in Big gun where the armament costs are significant (with no one making the cannons, they can be pretty expensive!). Even in fast gun, the complete armament kit is on the order of $450, and that's a poppet-valve system, not a solenoid one.

    Best advice: Save up $75 and get one of Mark Jenks' Baltimore kits. If you're hell-bent on a battleship, get his USS Texas kit. They're fun to put together and will eliminate a lot of hull assembly issues that you will have as a new builder. It's also a very cheap price for a great kit. It's not an Iowa, no, but you aren't ready for an Iowa. Not saying you're not cool or not competent, but you aren't ready, either building skills-wise, battle skill-wise, or financially. I want to be nice about it, but people have tried to tell you this and it hasn't gotten through. This sounds harsh but sometimes a friend has to cut through the BS and be blunt.
     
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    And on being blunt, I need to step in and remind the group that you have stated several times you are well under 18 years of age, and do not have support from your parents for this hobby. You will have a difficult time getting new guns, as both Battlers Connection and Strike Models restrict the sale on the guns. Here are the relevant sections from Strike:

    "Strike Models prohibits use of its cannon products and accessories FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE than that of R/C model warship combat under the safety, construction, and battling boundaries of MWCI and of NAMBA and/or its affiliated model warship combat groups. Strike Models specifically prohibits the use of ANY of its cannons or parts in any radio controlled aircraft or land surface model (car, truck, tank, etc.), or in any floating model not specifically constructed to comply with nationally recognized R/C warship combat rules.

    Strike Models authorizes its cannon products and accessories be sold to and used only by persons 18 years of age or older. Direct parental or legal guardian supervision is required for anyone under the age of 18 during any and all aspects of ship construction and participation in the hobby of R/C model warship combat. (Note: clubs require parental membership, co-participation, and direct supervision for all combatants under the age of 18.)"
     
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    Battler's Connection's site states that before buying guns, a parent (or the battler if they're over 18) has to sign a safety release.