hey you guys have thought and discussed rc naval combat a long time have you given any thought to a sort of iroc battle where all the boats are equal just skill sets you apart in battle?
I know some people I'd suggest that option to so they'd stop trying to make warship combat look like that.
lol so i should put you in the class of i dont like that i guess im new building my first boat so im looking at all the rule sets and i have one conclusion . the game is rigged against what should be the most powerfull ships in favor of the weaker. this is done thru rules that are intended for safety ie lack of turrets and side guns allowing a faster boat to get close to a large boat without being blown from the water as it would in a real ww1 or ww2 naval battle. so i have been thinking of ways to mitigate that and came up with the iroc i realize it inhibits the captains creativity but it wouldnt have to replace your other types of battle. it is just another type just like it is in nascar . variety might help the sport grow i know for me building is just a means to get to the battle but for others its as big a part as the battle will be for me. in the end it was just a passing thought i wanted to share
You lost me. Which ships are unfairly penalized? Part of the fun (for people who don't think they should have parity with any other ship) is knowing the performance envelope of your ship and the other ships you are up against. Just like fighter aircraft, you need to maximize your strengths and maximize their weaknesses. That is part of the skill. If you remove that, then it eliminates the need for that skill. It effectively dumbs down the hobby. That's also the reason why flag/no flag battles are far less interesting. Ship recognition as a skill is eliminated as well. Please don't think I'm trying to slam you, it's just that their are some people trying to force this idea down the throats of those of us who appreciate the WHOLE hobby, not just lining up BB's.
less in big gun but the larger ships dont turn well and the lack of turrets in fast gun allows cruisers to score hits that in real warfare wouldnt happen what i mean is cruisers like 3 point and 3 and a half point mount aft guns only stand off and pelt bigger ships then run when noticed the chasing ship gets hit in the bow but the chasing larger and in real life much more powerfull ship cannot bring its fixed forward guns to bear on the invulnerable for the most part tail of the cruiser. this whole battle is artificial because in real world the battleship would have just turned his turrets to the cruiser before he ever moved and with much larger guns he could have put several salvos into the cruiser before it left his gun range so smaller vessels not only have parity but an actual advantage due to the lack of turrets thats not really using your boats inate ability to defeat your opponent s ship its using a safety rule as an advantage i see no glory in this at all
Your supposition about he real battles isn't entirely accurate. Many a big ship has been sunk by torpedoes from cruisers and destroyers. If battleships had nothing to fear from them, there would have been no need for battleships to be screened by their own cruisers and destroyers. Read accounts of Jutland, for instance. In the hobby, cruisers are much less effective than they were in reality. They can harass battleships, but they lack the punch to do more then annoy a properly captained battleship. I typically ignore them unless a mob f them decide to come after me. A lone battleship against a cruiser flotilla would be in trouble in real life as well.
Although this is true, you must remember that a cruiser's guns rarely hit below the waterline, mostly above or on the waterline. So even if a cruiser dumped all of his BB's into the side of a battleship, the battleship wouldn't be in too much danger of sinking. Now if you have a battleship come up along side and puts enough below hits on this battleship, that he starts to settle, then those aboves become belows. So, ultimately, you can't sink a battleship easily with just a cruiser, but battleships and cruisers working together can sink a battleship. It doesn't always work out that way in real life. Check out the Battle of the Denmark Straits. The Prinz Eugen scored the first hit on the Hood, yet the Hood never landed a shot on the Prinz Eugen, even though the the Hood was shooting at the PE thinking it was the Bismark. Plus, the PE also scored hits on the POW, with no hits sustained itself.
true about torpedos but they arent allowed in fast gun either as for cruisers and battleships the name bismark comes to mind the cruisers in the fight to sink her paid dearly but tahts not what i was trying to say i didnt mean cruisers are weak simply the range of a 6 inch or 8 inch gun versus a 16 ,15 or 14 isnt even close as for torpedos the range wasnt as far as the guns so my preface on the vulnerability of a cruiser to a bb at very close range stands on its own merit not to say a cruiser flotilla couldnt sink a bb without her escort just that the irwcc turret and side gun rules make it a lot less likely a bb can sink said cruiser all this is kinda off message though would you be interested in fighting a battle with everyone havin the same speed and armarment as you? thats the real question
i am new as i said before i have read nearly every post here trying to learn i ask a bunch of questions in the forum but where i am at geographically theres no one close to play with lol i have been talking everyday to everyone who will listen trying to generate interest i get the same responses i see here can i have a plane to bomb you can i put in shotguns or flame throwers the reality is its a big upfront investment and times are hard im just looking for a way to make more people want to build boats in my area so i can have some fun and to a new person to the sport fast gun rules are really restrictive to gun placement and turrets most videos that pop up when you put in rc naval battle are big gun so everyone assumes we can use turrets and i cant afford a new boat with big guns at the moment just sayin
Big gun is very different. The tactics are totally different and there's much less shooting. Where do you live?
ten mile tn its eastern closest club is in georgia but they are mainly south of atlanta and atlanta is 4 hours plus for me i do intend to get down there and watch some battles soon though
yeah i realize that's true but my plan is to add more people and shorten the drive there are no tn clubs as far as i know im planning on correcting that i am starting on my first boat A CLEVELAND BASED CARRIER TO BE FOLLOWED BY A CLEVELAND CLASS CRUISER lol no cruiser hater here and when its done im going to start taking it to local ponds in towns and drive it around to generate some interest im also going to advertise on craigs list and a local hobby store most people around here do rc rock crawlers it seems
the travel part doesnt bother me but i only get every 4th weekend off so it would be difficult to get to most battles i do get every other sunday off though so if it were 2-3 hour drive i could do sundays sometimes might have to quit my job and become homeless to do weekly combat hehehe
I'm not aware of any group that does weekly combat. You'd need quite a large pool of people to be able to get enough to come on any given weekend to have enough people for a worthwhile game. Many people have work, family, and other life obligations that use up their weekend time, not to mention the time it takes to repair from a battle or work on your ship in general.
