Des Moines

Discussion in 'Buy, Sell and Trade' started by TRich19, Jun 28, 2007.

  1. TRich19

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    so that means that i would have 3 guns aiming astern and a gun in each turret in front aiming to either side and a 1 unit bilge pump?

    Size doesnt matter. Proven in the first war against the yamato
     
  2. Tugboat

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    To the first part: that's the most common arrangement for SoDaks in fast gun. It works very very well, which is probably why most people use it. It would be legal to have both sidemounts pointing on the same side, and rotating to the other side, but more technically involved.

    As for size, size matters a LOT. In the hobby, room inside the hull to put stuff is always at a premium. Choose too small a ship, and you don't get enough room (which is why there are very few destroyers and submarines). Too long a ship, and it's hard to turn. Note that I am not saying a Des Moines is too long to turn, I like them and think that they are fine ships for a newcomer or a veteran. I think it's a better first ship than a SoDak, too, but I love both of them. What ship do you WANT to run? That's the important thing. A ship you'll like will be fun to battle, which is the goal.

    As for the Yammer... Yamato got killed by airplanes, not a ship. It's the poster child for the demise of the battleship and the acendancy of the aircraft carrier (which is going to be in decline in the next few decades itself).
     
  3. TRich19

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    scratch the last part i ment that a small ship can easily take on a big ship if it has a good captain and knows what its doing

    Lastly yes the yamato was done in by planes but took a torpedo shot from a destroyer right in the nose making her limp home
     
  4. TRich19

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    so how hard do you think putting together those two ships are
     
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    Lastly do you know of any sodaks for sale
     
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    Another thing i was wondering is what type of ship is on the home page of this site firing 3 triple guns
     
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    That's a big gun ship, of the British Nelson class.

    Actually Johnson missed the Yamato, she only hit the heavy cruiser Kumano in the bow. Yamato's torpedo hits were actually aerial torpedoes from the Battle of the Sibuyan Sea the day before the action off Samar. The destroyer USS Heermann managed to fire some torpedoes that caught Yamato between them, and forced Yamato to steam in the opposite direction, thus removing her from the battle. Had Yamato turned either way, she would have been hit by torpedoes.

    Mike D
     
  8. TRich19

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    ohh okay i heard different stories of what happened some said she hit the yamato and some said she accidentally got another
     
  9. lalimerulez

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    Im not part of this group but i found a pic of a south dakota (i think) http://www.scrapcombatships.com/captains.html just click on south dakota it should be the first ship on the list
     
  10. TRich19

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    So anyway what do u guys think of the north carolina iowa and south dakota?
     
  11. lalimerulez

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    From what ive heard every one else say and stuff the NC and Iowa are great ships but not for a first. FOr the SD i dont know
     
  12. TRich19

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    i know that but just the ship not talking experience how does it do does it have good firepower speed and how hard is it to sink
     
  13. specialist

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    I would not recomend North Corolina, Iowa, or South Dokota as rookie boats.

    The amount of work involved and requirment to get it right are too great.
    I would suggest a ship that is more forgiving of building errors typical for rookies.

    That aside-

    Iowa- a monster boat. Pretty much like running two normal boats. Allowed twin sidemounts (2 off each side) and tripple stern guns.
    Fire power is great- if used with skill it can sink multiple targets in a battle. If not well built, with good guns, it is a bb sucking barge.

    North Corolina- (aka NC) Manuverable, fast, excellent stern gun fire power. OK sidemount fire power. Somewhat forgiving of building errors- as you can run away from your problems.
    These are the main allied fast battleship type used. As for any class 6, building it right is expensive, and time consuming. They are not good to go "side to side" with the best axis boats unless you are an expert battler. The tripple stern guns, however allow it to be used as a skirmish type boat, to do hit and run tactics.

    South Dakota- Similar to NC above, but slower and more manuverable. Allies like this type as close in fire support for "slugger" type boats. A mix of sluggers and South Dakota's makes for a good fleet.
    Sence they are lacking the speed of a NC they must out manuver anything they don't want to fight. This however is normaly not too hard to do, provided the captain is paying attention.
    Same gun set up as NC (3 stern, 2 bow sidemounts), and about the same weight. I think it is beter looking that a NC, for what ever that is worth.


    When you build a class 6 or 7, you are pretty much declaring, that you can play with the best- and the best will come by and see if they can blast your hull skin off.
    So if you want to swim with the sharks, then a big boat like one of the above might be for you.

    I would suggest a class 3 or 4 for most rookie ship builders.
     
  14. TRich19

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    i noticed on battlers connection they say things like 24 sec and 26 sec what are these
     
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    lastly a sodak is given with 6 units so if i used the setup you said it would use 8 units counting a bilge pump
     
  16. specialist

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    The numbers 24 sec and 26 sec. are references to how fast that paticular ship is allowed to run the 100 foot speed course.

    A North Corolina would run the course at a minimum time of 24 seconds. Which means that its maximum speed would be 4.166 feet/second.

    A South Dokota is allowed to do it in a minimum time of 26 seconds. For a maximum velocity of 3.846 feet/second.

    Sence the actualy velocity of the ship is fairly clumbersome to talk about, the shorthand method is just to talk about the time over 100 feet.
     
  17. specialist

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    Typicaly South Dokotas typical use:

    3 stern guns (3 units)
    2 sidemounts- one off each side (2 units)
    1 pump. (1 unit)

    For a total of 6 units used.....
     
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    I have run alot of ships- several cruisers, a bunch of battlecruiser, slugger types, several fast battlehips.
    I did run an Iowa for a while.

    I have not done a destroyer yet... maybe soon.
     
  19. TRich19

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    so what is a better buy a nc or sodak
     
  20. TRich19

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    how much did it cost for a full iowa to be built