different scales and how to recover them

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  1. Admiral Where Did He Go?

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    Hey all!!!!.... My Question is for the man in the back, Yes i see you there peeking around the corner :p. i know that these ships are heavy before water gets into them at least the battleships are. Now i understand that the 1/114 can be easy to recover but the 1/96 or 1/72 on the other hand......

    How do you recover then when they are Cruiser or battleship sizes at that scale!!!?!?!?!?
    i saw a photo of a German heavy cruiser or battleship (one of the two:p) on a table and thought to myself how do you recover such a big ship in deep water (over 8 feet). could you tell me as i can only assume that it is quite a job to recover.
     
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  2. thegeek

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    Exactly, big boats are a pain to recover. I drove a Musashi for a couple of years and in 1/144 it is 72 inches and 59 lbs dry. Full of water 100 lbs easy.
     
  3. Maxspin

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    Generally speaking, yes some do build the really large ships. They do not battle them regularly for the reasons that you listed. To be practical most ships that are battled are between 2.5' and 6'. Any smaller and it is very difficult to fit in all the "stuff" and maintain stability. Any larger and they are to big to transport launch and recover.

    In the larger scales 1/96 or 1/72 most battle with frigates and destroyers. cruisers and battleships are possible but too bit to be practical.
    in 1/144 most battle with cruisers and battleships. destroyers are possible but too small to be practical.

    The boats themselves are of similar weight and length, no matter what scale you build in.
     
  4. Admiral Where Did He Go?

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    so how did you guys recover them. i know that having to swim for them isn't that fun for everyone:p......still......probably looks cool at the bottom of the sea:p.
     
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    Well, that is the challenge for finding a suitable pond.
    needs to be:
    1. shallow enough to retrieve a boat
    2. not full of weeds
    3. not full of kids swimming
    4. have permission
     
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    Here in No. California we primarily fight in 1/72 scale, with some of us doing 1/144 Fast Gun. Those that have never fought or really experienced 1/72 always speak of the SIZE and WEIGHT and how impossible it is to do this or that. Yes we do have 10, 11 and 12 foot battleships, but no we have not fought them because of their size, but because we put so F***ing much detail on them we can't bring ourselves to shoot at them. Most of our ships are the same exact size as those in 1/144, just in a different scale. Our Fast Gun Battleships are in the range of 5 to 6 feet long and so are our 1/72 scale destroyers. Now for the 8 foot Cruisers, we fight them all the time! They take a tremendous amount of damage and do sink. Our recovery lines are a little more heavy duty than what's used in the smaller ships, but in practice are quite easy to get up from the bottom and to shore. So far we have NEVER had a problem getting one of our thousand pound Cruisers up off the bottom. I joke here, because for some it's important to convince others that 1/72 is the devil scale and you should steer clear. Most important factor to keep in mind is what "You" want to build and what is being played locally.
     
  8. Admiral Where Did He Go?

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    so.......no cranes:p....damn really would have thought. Do you guys have aircraft carriers??
     
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    I find it hard to say this, but no we do not...yet! No large Luxury Liner like the QM or Normandie either. Give it time and we will have one, but currently there is no provision for them in our 1/72 rules.
     
  10. Z Boat

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    Maxspin is correct, most of our battles are fought with DD's plus the Cruisers and Battleships can take a lot of damage without sinking yet. When a ship is sunk I use a fishing pole to retrieve them.
     
  11. Kotori87

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    As a ship recovery specialist, I can assure you that the most effective way to get your sunken ship back is to bribe your local high school swim team member with pizza. I recovered most of the sunken ships for the WWCC from 2005 thru 2011, for nothing more than a pizza after each battle. Granted, I also helped sink most of those ships in the first place, but that's beside the point... Other tricks of the trade... RECOVERY FLOATS! These are hugely important. If swimming for wrecks is not possible due to depth/safety/temperature concerns, make sure you have a reliable float with strong line and sturdy anchor. There's a lot of science that goes into float design, so I won't go into that here. Even if you are in a swimmable pond, a good float acts as a marker and greatly speeds up the recovery process, since a sunken wreck can take up to a half hour to locate without a float. When I swam for sunken wrecks, I wore a snorkel/mask, fins, and a lifeguard rescue buoy. The rescue buoy was particularly useful because I could swim just fine while wearing the strap, it would allow me to dive down to access each wreck and safe the gun systems, and I always pull myself up by the strap if I got in trouble of any sort. Fast Gun tends to operate a little differently, preferring ponds of wading depth and recovering ships the moment they sink rather than waiting until completion of the sortie or a lull in the fighting to retrieve the wrecks. This simplifies recovery, but limits your options for battle ponds. I have not attended any 1:72 events, so I cannot speak for the ease of recovering their larger cruisers and battleships, but I doubt weight is a significant issue. It may take a little longer to carry back, or require two people, but it is entirely doable. The biggest reason I can think of to avoid the largest 1:72 ships is lack of maneuverability. The 1:72 battleships I saw visit the WWCC (Iowa and Bismark) had an enormous turning radius and very slow acceleration. That issue rendered tactical positioning WRT enemy ships almost impossible, it was hard enough just getting to different regions of the pond.
     
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    I only battle in 1/144, but I offer dark sacrifices to Vul to prevent my ship from sinking.
     
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    Sink close to shore. Not always possible but easier to do than it might seem. Makes recovery very easy and safer.
     
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    the pizza bribe is good, that would work on people I know hehehehe
     
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    Try to find a college swimmer with commercial diving experience.
     
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    What did you do to offend Vul?
     
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    Bought commercially manufactured parts. Vul smiles upon the ad-hoc and the macgyvered.
     
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    All of this is very interesting as I am currently in the process of acquiring a 1/96 scale Battleship that will N-E-V-E-R see the bottom of any pond, sea or ocean she sails upon. Much like the Death Star she her shadow will cast upon the West Coast first and once her dominance has been established she will proceed to the East Coast and crush all who dare to oppose her. On a lighter note, she will go green as to save the environment. Out of respect for all the litter she is going to be putting at the bottom of lakes and ponds starting sooner than one can imagine...
     
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    One of the additional requirements to our behemoth is we added surround sound stereos. This way we can play the theme to the Empire Strikes Back as we lay waste to all those who oppose us and any local ducks swimming along....:)
     
  20. Z Boat

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    We had a 1/72 scale pocket almost sink due to battery failure, lucky for the captain it was close to shore. I know of 3 big gun style tanks exploding and sinking 2 like a rock and the third was on the bench (bad regulators and custom made tanks). I have a 1/72 scale Tirpitz and I hope it never sinks even close to shore. It will weigh around 300 pounds dry and getting that out of the water will be fun.