Historical Ship vs Ship actions.

Seems like on every thread we start talking about our sport and the next thing we do is drift off talking historical actions. Put it on this thread. Yamato vs Iowa. North Carolina vs Bismark. Prince of Wales & Repulse vs the 4 Kongo class BC's. The American Invasion of Japan,How our ships would have been used if we went to war against the Russians. Anything that is Historical put it here.

 

Good idea. As far as Yamato vs Iowa.. I am done with that. Been there done that way too many times. I rather keep it to the hobby for our ships and their performance on the water.

ADM STOKOMOTO

 

Pity Tsushima and the Yellow Sea are out of the time range.

 

Doesnt mean we cant talk about them, esp if you want to look into Curt's CWX thingy, which is expanded time.

 

Definitely a good idea for a broad topic, but I'd suggest moving it somewhere else. "Research & Development" is really all about figuring out stuff for the future; moving forward. I suggest moving it under the "General" category. I'm not sure how to get topics that drift moved over there, though. We may just be stuck with that.

JM

 

The floor is yours. Start talking

 

I know a young man that would like some thoughts on this subject:

Here is his question:
"When Prinz Eugen Surrendered to Britain in May 1945, She was then taken back to Wilhelmshaven on may 28th, to be turned over the US as a War prize. She was Escorted by light Cruiser Dido and Heavy cruiser Devonshire and Two Distroyer(HMCS Iroqoois and HMS Savage). Were Was Devonshire, was she behind Prinz Eugen or where was she? And Did Prinz Eugen have a Change to Escape in to open water or were there British Sailors on board her to mak sure she didn't make a run for it? But here is the twist here, Her Ammunition was offloaded under British orders, so she did't have her 8" shells. My question here is could she have gotten away or would she have been sank right off the bat or blow out of the water? and Explan why!"


Here is what I had told him:
"I suspect that "Tommy" had learned thier lesson at Scappa Flow, and did not give the PE any chances to slip away."

 

Please, this has nothing at all to do with the topic Research and Development. We've got a topic created for just this sort of thing. Let's use topics appropriately, otherwise everything will be everywhere, & eventually nobody will be able to find anything.

Thanks,

JM

 

John, this is technically in the right place as it has something to do about ship vs ship action in reality, not scale.

 

No, "ship vs. ship action in reality, not scale" is exactly ON TOPIC under General, Historical and Full Scale. The entire thread has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Technical, Research and Development topic, which was created specifically to discuss advancements to the technical aspects of the hobby.

I've got nothing against discussing this, or any other topic that anybody wants, but let's please try to keep things organized. Otherwise, it'll deteriorate into a mess.

Thank you all for your cooperation.

JM

 

Less talk guys and stop arguing. I put it here because I have no clue where to put it. Please guys put it in the right place. I would love to discuss things but let us not argue. PLEASE.

 

Thank you Tugboat. An aura of calm has come over the forum once more. I think is it cooler heads that have prevailed.

 

here's one for you Tug...

Force Z consists of Iowa and Alaska (pretending they are around in 1941) instead of PoW and Repulse. The two American ships would have a far greater AA defense then the either PoW or Repulse. We'll give them 2 Sims class destroyers and a 2 4 pipers as a screen to replace the RN tin cans. Given 1941 technology, (no 40mm's or 20mm, just 1.1's and .50's) how does the American Force Z fare? I believe they'd have the MK 37 directors, but probably no fire control radar, and definitely no VT fuses for the 5" shells.

I'd think that Alaska gets sunk, but Iowa manages to escape, if for no other reason then her ability to dodge torpedoes should be far better then the PoW and the Repulse, and the IJN was nearly out of aircraft torps by the end of the action.

Give it 1945 AA technology, and both capital ships come home...those Bettys wouldn't have a chance.

 

What would the IJN consider to be acceptable losses in aircraft? Would they send wave after wave until both ships went down or they ran out of planes? A tactical victory but a major strategic blunder?

 

Well, the IJN historically used up MOST of the torpedoes they had in the area...they were close to not having the necessary firepower to properly finish the job as it was. That means that busting up the formations a little more, and perhaps dodging torpedoes a little better might have been enough to keep them alive..not to mention their greater speed might make them better able to depart the battle area.

 

Or a zig instead of a zag means a better out come for force Z.

 

I've always thought that Tarrant should have run as soon as it was apparent that PoW was hurt as bad as she was. Phillips should have ORDERED it. That's not the way of things in the Royal Navy though.