I know hat when im dont ill want to do another one, but i think improving my rookie ship will have to do for a time, then, im moving on to bigger and better German ships.
Damm, no boat work done this evening, wife wanted me to do the Income Taxes. Took me 3 hours to get them done. Oh well tomorrow is a new day.
Venting here. My take on my new drive system. I have kept it pretty low key, some MWC Region 3 people know of it, and a few others. I have come up with a simple new propulsion system that's totally legal within the MWC rules, I have been testing it in my PE (VU) for the last 6 months, and now I'm installing it in my new ID, and now I get told not to use it. Some of the comments from the Region 3 guys who have seen it running the last 6 months. 1. Kept repeating to himself, I just cannot believe it turns so well. VDT owner, I can turn 2 circles inside of its 1 circle in the same time period. 2. Its not natural. Turning in a complete circle while moving backwards, in less than a hull lenght. Sank it 3 times, received a few above hits. 3. That cannot be legal? It is. I-Boat not in the same ballpark. Sank it 4 times. Received little return damage. 4. Just about falling down from laughing so hard. Both of us were on 5, he asked me what the issue was and asked for a demo. He liked it. Now I'm being asked not to use it, because they think it will cause hate and discontentment, and possibly ruin Nats. My response is, I thought this hobby was all about making your boats work better, and innovation, as long as you stay within the rules, its not even a question of interpertation of the rules, its 100% legal. Can I help it if I just caused the obsolence of everone else's boats, that may be the real reason. I just made a new Dreadnaught is all. I have enjoy coming up with new innovation's, but if someone don't like it, just make a rule proposal to ban it, I have no problem with that and will abide by it. I feel they just need to live with it, till they pass a rule banning it, which can be easily done in one year.
Well DJ, sounds like there is some jealousy involved, try not to worry about it though, im sure that even without this propulsion system, your boat is great.
I can understand the venting completely... I live for the innovation... if that were to dissapear, I would rapidly loose interest. What is new/different about the drive setup?
Its really quite simple, which is why its legal. I think I will lose intrest very quickly myself. Breakdown on system. 1. Power all 4 shafts. 2. Power center shafts with a #20 pinion, with mag switches or TD motor controller, massive waterflow across the rudders, 28 second ship moves at about 14 second speed, turns very fast of course. 3. Power outside shafts with a #12 pinion, using a ESC to control the speed. But the props are installed to run in the oppisite direction of the center shafts. They are the drag producing componet to get the 14 sec ship back down to its 28 sec speed. 4. Unforseen benefit, Differential rudder steering bonus. When the inner rudder goes to a full 90, it acts as additional drag, so when the radio stick is full forward, with full rudder in either direction, it overcomes the forward propulsion, due to the extra drag, and this causes the ship to actually move in reverse at a good clip, rotating at the same time, that's how it can turn while going in reverse, when in fact you are telling it to go forward. 5. Its really a balancing act, of thrust, and pinion selection. Every boat would have to be tested to get the right balance of pinion, motor, and prop. 6. When its close to being right, you use the ESC, and adjust it backwards to what you normally do to set the boat on speed, since it controls the reverse, drag props. What all this does for you. It gives you 12 to 14 second waterflow across the rudders, how fast will your ship turn at that speed, but since you are not actually moving that fast, the boat is also super stable, no rocking and rolling. I think this is due to the 4 way water flow across the hull from the 4 props. Very simple, and 100% legal as the MWC rules are written now. I think I will just skip the MWC NATS this year, since it will cause such a problem, I was having a family problem anyways over it, wife wants to do a longer family vacation this year, and I really don't have the vacation to do both.
You're not alone, I've gotten similar reactions when describing pretty much that exact system as a legal method to maintain reverse performace (without ever even testing it in a ship). I agree its a legal setup. Its pretty cool to see you actually tried it out! Don't get to upset about it they are just toy boats. If it gets banned it gets banned, you won't be the first person with a rule banning something they did.
I have no problem with it being banned, but being asked not to use it, or there will be consequences, is a different thing. I would even vote to ban it myself. I only did it since we were on the drag committee, and some one said that even with the new rules we came out with, they would figure somthing out to get around it. So I thought to myself I would do it first, lol. And my wife is actually causing a stink about it, she wants to take some craft classes during our vacation, but they run longer than a week, and I only have 2 weeks of vacation till next year.
Speaking of the reverse speed committee could you measure the thrust in forward and reverse with this system and let me know what the results are? Sucks about NATS, I've been looking forward to seeing one of your big boats in action for a while, any chance you're gonna make it to the spring battle in MD?
I'm still going to try for Nats, but my company, which only allows us to take off 3 sick days at a time, before placing us on short time disability, and the Union rule which does not allow us to take unpayed days off, and my wife, I don't think the odds are to great for Nats. Next year I will have an additional week, so it will not be a issue. Right now we plan on going to Wade's in March, Rick, Don, Frank, Brian and I. And Rick, Don, Tim, Brian and I are planning on the MD battle. We will miss the one out west around the same time, but all of us told Rick late last year, and he confirmed it with the fellow getting the park in MD, dont remember his name at the moment, that we would all be coming, so we thought it would not be right to back out. And if I skip Nats, It will make it easier for me to make both of those times, since I was planning on trying to take sick days to come, and this way I can just use vacation time. Sure I will measure it for you next time its out. It does have a bit of a rapid acceleration out of the hole, due to the delay in the ESC response vs the TD board. So what you want is after everything has come to speed.
Craft classes? Building a boat is craft work in my opinion. Kinda sucks that the active drag system is raising a ruckus. I had plans to retrofit the Richelieu and Bearn with it as soon as I got back from Korea. Imagine the side mount monster Richelieu with the turning of a stock NC! Heh. Still, the ID is going to be a nasty ship to battle against even without the active drag. I hope more are getting built for the Nats to give the Allies more side mount capability against those pesky slow Axis ships.
So far Don and Me, and a few more are bringing their QE's. But then Don will be a ? mark this year also. He is having knee replacement surgery on his first knee in the next couple of weeks, then when that is better, he's doing the other one. I forget the name of the place, but its up in the mountains in NC. We will stay for like 10 days. The wife and girls are taking some kind of craft classes, looming, and weaving, and basket making or somthing of the sort. They have signed me up for waterwheel wood lathe class, and blacksmithing. Its suppose to be like your back in the 17 or 18 hundreds, I wonder if they will have a TV. Update, the Dap self leveling concrete sealer SUCKS big time, pardon the french. Its not mixed in the tube, so you have to stir it after you pour it to get the right consistancy, and it does not level that well, the one plus it has no smell. If any of you have it, I would return it. The brand Rick purchased, I will ask next time I see him works very well, same as the PL brand. He got it at Lowes is all I remember at this time.
IRCWCC ruleset... D. RUDDERS 1. Only rudders shall be used to steer ships. No "turning motors" or other systems may be used to assist in turning. It's pretty vague but I think most would call the two outside motors "turning motors" as that is what they end up doing. It is a great idea though and I love finding new things myself. This rule was written due to people powering the outside shafts and having them kick in when turning. Still, pushing the envolope is how we find out how to make things more balanced and fun. (We had do do away with rangefinders and automatic firing of guns for the same reasons)
Iceman, Running the outside motors at the same time as the inside motors cannot be considered as turning motors, since in my setup they all run and stop at the same time, only the rudders are being used to turn the boat. If this is illegal, than drag disks should also be considered illegal, since most are mounted on the outside shafts, and are doing the same as my running motors, no different increasing drag. I find alot of the rules as they are written, both the IRC, and MWC as being pretty vaguely written, and up for interpertation. In the MWC this year we passed a new set of rules trying to control the super reverse issues we have been having for the last couple of years, trying to clear things up. I used those rules to determine if this setup is legal or not. Even in the IRC rules I see nothing stopping it from being used. For they are not turning motors. The only thing I thought might be a issue is this rule. Hull shape shall be relatively scale, non-scale additions to the hull that increase drag are not allowed. We all use non-scale props, and since I'm using the props as drag devices, it could be argued that it is a non-scale addition, which is forbidened in the rules. But then all the props and rudders are non-scale, so they all cause additional drag, so all could be considered as illegial.
I think that the rule is vague enough to cover that. Do i think that your in the right? Yes, do i think it should be banned? yes, do i think that you should criticized? No. Also, i think that the picture that you found is exaggerated.
It does have a ram bow, just not as pronounced as in the picture you posted. And the side vew picture I took, makes it look like it does not have one.
Well I got some more done last night, and this evening. You can see the Deans connectors sticking up just as I wanted them too. I poured in the Dap sealer, as I stated earlier, it was not throughly mixed in the tube, and does not self level as well as the other 2 brands. Here is a closer view of the stern after the pour, thats 10 oz worth, looks like I will only need 4 tubes total, which is not bad, just 2 1/2 pounds, and I was allowing for 4 pounds.
