pump outlets

Discussion in 'Research and Development' started by GregMcFadden, Apr 3, 2008.

  1. GregMcFadden

    GregMcFadden Facilitator RCWC Staff

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    Folks, I recently started teaching myself to use the CFD code that is available for work use, which means that while learning them I can use them for simple cases which pertain to our pursuits. In particular, I am looking at the pump outlet into water and into air since it covers single fluid CFD with cavitation and cfd with dissimilar fluids (which I am not certain the code will do).

    specifically, I am looking for geometry in current pump outlets as I suspect that they limit the max efficient flowrate can dramatically effect the efficiency of the pumps as eventually, the flow will cavitate in the restriction, so if we can make a more efficient outlet, then we can get more efficient pumps for the fixed flowrate groups and more powerful pumps for the fixed orifice groups.
     
  2. SnipeHunter

    SnipeHunter Well-Known Member

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    What CFD code are you using? Color Filled Drawings is what I do for a living.
     
  3. GregMcFadden

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    I've unfortunately only got access to Flowworks which while I know it ok, is limited enough and very very quirky... I have been meaning to try some of the open source codecs but lack of time has prevented that.

    Unfortunately it has been a very very long time since I had a chance to use fidap or fluent or even ansys.... Just to keep the ole brain sharp I may have to break out the finite volume solver I was working on for class years ago and see about figuring out why it never quite worked right.
     
  4. SnipeHunter

    SnipeHunter Well-Known Member

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    Hehe Im not much of an ansys fan, I just hope they don't hose Fluent since they bought them a year ago or so(but they probably will, then again there are plenty of improvements they could make to fluent which would be nice, we shall see). Mostly im a Fluent guy, but im getting more into Star-CD/Star-CCM+, its got some nice polyhedral meshing abilities and hooks up with abaqus better for FSI, and thats where the modeling and sim world is headed. It also has a better interface so thats always a plus. Ive done a little in flowworks for a masters class but I wasn't really impressed with it.

    CFD, its kinda like Black Magic, it works just only people that have been doing it for a long time understand it and can control it. Its also kinda like crack, massive highs and disturbing lows, that and it costs a lot.
     
  5. Kotori87

    Kotori87 Well-Known Member

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    Any chance I could convince one of you to run some gas-flow analysis on some cannons? I'd love to test some of my designs without having to cut up bunches of expensive material.
     
  6. specialist

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    Actualy if you look closly at the Navier-Stokes equations you will start to notice some things about pump outlets.

    If you try it, it works, but to make it comply with the rules is a bit of a problem. Not impossible, just a problem.
    Plus it looks nasty.

    I won't say what it is. Good luck finding it. And CFD won't help.
     
  7. GregMcFadden

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    I've already noticed that we boil at the restriction....