SB-101 'Building MN Edgar Quinet'

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  1. Tugboat

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    This build started on another forum where new user Matt (USS Arazona[sic]) asked what the cheapest way to get into the hobby is. My answer was:
    "...the cheapest way to do a warship is to buy two sheets of 12"x48"x1/4" plywood ($9/sheet), 1 sheet of 12"x48"x1/2" plywood($8.50/sheet), buy a cheap blue-handled hand jigsaw (aka coping saw) and a flat file at Lowe's for around $9 each. Download a set of cruiser plans (or predreadnought plans)(free). Make 22 copies of the frames drawing at $0.10/page, fold them in half at the centerline, and cut out each of the ribs on paper(scissors $2 at Hobby Lobby). Glue these papers to one sheet of 1/4" plywood (UHU Stick glue, $2 at Hobby Lobby), and sit down with the jigsaw to cut the ribs out of the wood (free, not factoring the value of your time). Buy one 1/4" x 1/4" x 48" hardwood stick($0.83 at Hobby Lobby) to play keel, and fit the ribs one at a time to the keel. If you epoxy them to the keel at this time (5 minute epoxy $10.99 at Hobby Lobby, mix it with scrap wood on pieces of old envelopes, $0.00), make sure that the ribs are vertical and true. When you finish with this, I'll have the rest of the instructions typed :)"

    So, much discussion ensued, and Matt is apparently very nearly as insane as I am and is willing to try this. So, as a good mentor and Axis captain, I decided that the "Cheapest Point Of Entry" would be SMS Pommern, a 3.5 unit predreadnought. As I have free plans for it (thank you Russian plan guys!) and we can begin fairly quickly (although I am dreading the amount of arm soreness that will follow jigsawing all the ribs), Matt is being roped into becoming a glorious Axis captain!!
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    So, following this post will be a step-by-step How-To on the cheapest way to get into the hobby. I will not entertain shortcuts that will cast reliability or basic combat effectiveness into doubt (I know one new person who contemplated using a small fuel pump from a 1960's small car as his DC pump). I am going to strive for keeping the budget outlay under 40 bucks/month. Some months we will not come close to the limit, and that will need to be saved for later (for things like the radio system, regulator and bottle that we can't make or scrounge). Any questions about this project? No? Good! Press on regardless!
     
  2. Tugboat

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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry"
    WEEK ONE: FRAMES AND MORE FRAMES
    First, download the following image file:
    http://www.rcnavalcombat.com/Portal...20144B.jpg
    This is the frames drawing for Pommern. Because I am a kind man, I even fit TWO drawings on one 8.5 x 11 piece of paper, thus lowering the reproduction cost to US$0.80 (8 sheets = 16 frames drawings). Before making multiple copies, ensure that the beam (the width of the ship at it's widest point) is between 5 15/16" and 6 1/16". Definately no wider than 6 1/16", because we don't want to go over on beam, and we still have to stick on a 1/32" layer of balsa on each side... Cut each page into 2 separate frames drawings! Schnell!!!
    Come back when you have 16 separate frames drawings ($US0.80), a pencil or pen, and a pair of scissors($2.00). Do NOT run with the scissors :laugh:
     
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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry" This will be quite interesting. I hope it goes well. Just post pictures with every step.
     
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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry" Renounce your nancy-boy allied ways, and pick up the glorious hand jigsaw that will initiate you to Axis glory!!! Banzai! Banzai! Banzai!
     
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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry"
    Not to steer things back to the French, but wasn't there a thread a while back about a pre-fab wood hull kit based on the Emile Bertin?
    But a predread is a good thing. Even if it smells of cabbage. ;)
     
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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry"
    Interesting that the frames are numbered from stern to bow. That is the first plan set I have seen that does it that way.
     
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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry" Clark, I think I love you!!!!
     
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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry" w00t! Finally I have complete plans for a German predread. I've had a number of Deutschland-class drawings from the Dreadnought Project website for a while, but they didn't have a complete set of ribs. With this, I now have usable digital plans for at least one predreadnought from almost every major world power. After this, all I need is USA, Italy, and Austria-Hungary.
     
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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry"
    WEEK ONE: FRAMES AND MORE FRAMES
    Zo! Zo, my friends, if you are followink along at home, you should have your 16 drawings, scissors, and a cheap ruler ($1.27 for two, one pink and one purple, at the Bi-Lo) and they should look like this:
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    Now, running down the vertical center of the diagram is the imaginatively-named 'centerline'. The horizontal line running all the way across the diagram 2" up from the keel is the nomial waterline, where the model should float when ballasted properly. At zis point, take the first of the frames drawings, and fold it NEATLY along the centerline NOT the waterline. Repeat this process with all due diligence and you should wind up with something resembling what is pictured below. The neat little artsy fan pattern is solely to assuage the aesthetic senses and is not strictly necessary.​
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    NOW we're getting somewhere! ​
     
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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry" USA should be easy. I have in paper builders plans for the Louisiana, and the latter two should be easy as there are Radetzky hulls in fibreglass down in Australia. Italy? I have no idea.
     
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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry" That looks like a very geeky hand of cards Clark! :)
     
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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry"
    **Notification of a new book-keeping rule: I will be keeping strict records on cost of parts. I will NOT be including tax, nor shipping charges in my $40/month goal, although where applicable I will list them for informational purposes.**
    Alas, unless there is a convenient supplier of quality hobby plywood near you, you will have to wait as said plywood comes to your door by way of UPS. Having priced the wood six ways to Sunday, I believe National Balsa is the cheapest, and I have bought from them previous with no hassles. ( www.nationalbalsa.com ;) (no, I get no kickbacks from them, although I will cheerfully accept such, if offered)
    Your materials list is: one 1/4" x 12" x 48" plywood sheet, one 1/8" x 12" x 48" plywood sheet (the 3-ply one, not the 5-ply one), twelve 1" x 2" x 6" balsa blocks, and 3 sheets of 1/32" x 3" x 36" 'Aero Lite' balsa. The total of this is $30.08, however with shipping to Georgia, it came to $46.85 by UPS ground (the cheapest way). I'm not including shipping in the budget though!! HAHAHA!! Also, the wood is the majority of what we will need to complete the hull, including the water channeling. You could order just the 1/4" piece for now, but shipping will still be within 3 bucks of what it cost for the whole shootin' match.
    Zo! Get ordering your wood schweinhunden!! The $30.08 plus the $8.28 for the Kobalt 6" coping saw (Lowe's) brings us to a total of $38.36, very nearly the whole first month's budget. Spend your remaining $1.64 for month 1 at a hardware store buying some sandpaper, or alternatively, beg/borrow a piece of sandpaper from a friend or family member, or narf one of great aunt Fannie's emery boards, and then blow the buck-sixty-four buying a soda to drink while you wait for the wood to arrive.
    Tomorrow: laying out ribs on your frame diagrams, and then cutting them up into tiny pieces for my amusement.
     
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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry" Clark, you truly are a crazy Axis Captain. I look forward to the day when we can duel on the water hurling comical insults at each other in broken German, English, and whatever other languages come to mind, while perforating each other's ships with mindless zeal.
     
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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry" Thanks, Aaron. I am crazy, but I do not want anyone to remind me while I am hand-sawing predread frames for a month that I have enough power tools in the shop to do a Musashi hull in 2 and a half days. That would be cold. LOL!
     
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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry"
    Are you hand-sawing as a way to show it can be done without spending money on tools?
     
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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry" Yes, I will NOT be using my vast array of power toys on this project. As the title implies, I am doing a how-to on the very cheapest (effective) way to get into boat battling, including the tools. My concession to building a lasting hull vice the cheapest possible is to use good quality plywood. If one just went to Lowe's and grabbed 1/4" ply off their shelf, the quality would be pretty low(e) (haha), although very cheap. Hmm. Maybe I should consider it in name of good fun and absolute cheapness. I will run by Lowe's on lunch today and inspect the plywood. If it's not horrible, maybe I'll do that.

    Matt (aka USS Arazona) and everyone else... opinions on this?
     
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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry" The only thing about buying a plywood sheet from Lowes is the size. Aren't they 4'x8' or something like that. It seems a lot of waste even if the wood looks good.

    Of course you could just build the entire Deustcheland Klasse to use the rest up.
     
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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry" How far up to ribs 5, 6 & 7 go?
     
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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry"
    I think those are the casemate. They share the vertical with frame 4. I think on the 1:1 ship they have a lesser slope. than 4 does. 7 being flat, 6 being basically flat, 5 has little slope (shown by a bit greater line thickness) and with 4 being sloped as shown.
     
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    RE: "The Cheapest Point of Entry" Also the semi-circle on frame 2 is the exit of the centre prop shaft. The one on frame 15 is the bow torpedo tube.