Taig CNC to 3D printer build

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  1. gunner250

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    ok got it
     
  2. rcengr

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    I finally made some more progress on this project. The new stepper motor is on the extruder and a more powerful stepper motor is waiting on the bench just in case. After some failed attempts at putting together a hot end controller with some opamps, I finally just wrote a Picaxe program to control it. The picture shows my breadboard test setup. The program works and I've been able to set the gains for decent performance. Now I just need to build a permanent board and solder everything together. I also got my RAMPS 1.4 boards today, as you can see in the middle. So if I get bored, I can start soldering components on those.
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    Mark, does your hotend controller have the capability to do one temperature for a period of time, and then change it? If you could get it to do a high temp for the first 10-15 minutes, and then ramp down 10-15C from there, it'd help with first-layer adhesion. I figure since you're writing the program you could do it easily enough.

    Loving watching you work! Can't wait to see the end result, I'm a fan :)
     
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    I could program in a delay and a temperature change, but I think I'll keep this controller basically manual. It only needs to tide me over until I buy the Arduino and start playing with Marlin. I do appreciate the hint, I'll plan on manually turning the knob down after the bottom layers are on. The one concession I made to automation was to put an enable input on the circuit. That way I can connect it to the CNC enable system and a fault will shut it down.
     
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    Yeah, manual is fine; I habitually watch the first couple of layers go on, so I would be there to change the temp manually if the computer didn't :) I basically have a book sitting by the printer, watch the outlines go on, then read, periodically glancing as the solid base is printed. After that, I feel good about going and doing other things :)
     
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    I was able to complete a circuit board for the hot end controller and solder it up tonight. And it still works, always a good thing:)
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    ALWAYS a good thing :) Looking good!
     
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    It prints!!! :D:D:D:D:D
    I finished wiring up the extruder and after checking that the hot end temperature control worked under load, I attempted my first print. Here it is:
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    The calibration object is a 10mm x 10mm square, 5mm high, with a 0.25" hole in the middle. Here's a couple of the calibration cubes with some 25 man life rafts. The ball bearing is supposed to fit in the hole. Overall the positioning was right, which is the advantage of using my existing CNC machine, but too much plastic is being extruded.
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    I adjusted my extruder steps/mm down about 15% and it is a lot closer. More calibration on the extruder steps is still needed. With a "close enough" calibration I attempted to print an actual accessory, a 27' whaleboat.
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    I added the painter's tape to help keep it stuck to the glass. I had no problem with the first layers adhering to the unheated, untreated, glass, but they cooled off too fast and peeled away before the print was finished. Unfortunately, I had a servo fault about 75% into the boat print and it didn't finish. It could have been a random fault, or I may have my rapids set a little too high.
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    Even with the incomplete calibration, I'm pleased with the finish of the part. It was sliced with 0.329mm layers.
     
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    Why such thick layers?

    It also looks like whichever axis is your long axis on the part is slipping, shifting higher layers to the right in the picture above. Don't cut the calibration short though, there are literally hundreds of calibration shapes on Thingiverse that can be used. Only a few are critical. I'll dig out the short list (like 3 or 4)...
     
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    The thick layers are just to cut the print time down. I figure the .3mm is good for utilitarian parts and I will go lower for parts I want to look good.
    Tugboat - are you looking at the rudder on the far left when you say that you think one axis is slipping? The outside of the rudder is curved, not straight, so I think everything is OK.
    Tonight I worked more on my extruder steps. Part of my problem is that I entered an estimate of 1.65mm for the filament, and it is actually very close to 1.75 mm. Once I corrected that, I wasn't over filling as much. I also measured the filament coming out of the hot end at 0.69mm. That seems like a lot of swell for a 0.5mm nozzle, but I decided not to mess with the nozzle size in Slic3r. I also played with retraction on the extruder. First I tried 3mm, but I didn't like the results. My last print was at 0, which is not quite right either, so more work needed there. Here's the completed 27' whaler:
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    The steps at the bow and stern where the gunwale curves up is very evident because of the thick layers. I also have blobs at the start of each layer. Hopefully getting the retract setting right will take care of those.
     
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    The reason I thought that you had a drift problem was probably the angle of the photo last time; It looked like the curvature at the front and rear were way off when they were usually more symmetrical. Doesn't look so much like it in this pic.
     
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    I made some more progress calibrating the printer today. I think I have the retract settings close, as well as the extruder steps. I printed a 15x15x15 mm cube to test everything out. It was printing fine, with about 3mm to go, when I decided to turn the cooling fan on. As soon as the fan was on the part popped off the bed. Oops. Because of the slow speed I print at as well as the extruder temperature, about 200 degrees, I guess the part cools fine without any external help. This time I'm using layers of 0.2mm. Here's the calibration cube.
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    In the picture it looks worse than it really is... I found the super macro setting on my camera and used a low angle light. Although it looks like it tilts in the picture, it doesn't really. The corners concern me the most, since they bulge out. I'm wondering is these artifacts are just because the original shape has square corners. Maybe if I put a 0.25 fillet on the corners they would be fine.
     
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    What slicer program are you using? That could be a factor, too.
     
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    I'm using Slic3r for my slicing program. I'm a couple of builds behind the latest stable release, so I'll get that updated.
    I also just noticed that the corners of the bottom 1/4 look better. That's the point that I turned the temperature down to about 185. Maybe at that temperature it's warm enough to extrude, but there is a little extra tension. I'll keep the temperature above 195 and see if it makes a difference.
     
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    Wait, if you're doing ABS, you should be running it much hotter. Too cold and it'll still extrude but it puts stress on the extruder. It also won't look right.

    Slic3r is the one I use the most, too.
     
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    I'm not using ABS, all that I have right now is PLA. I figured I would start with the PLA and work myself up to the ABS. That way I wouldn't initially need a heated bed or fume removal. However, the lack of a heated bed has already caused me a number of problems, even with the PLA. So the heated bed is being cut by the CNC machine as I type.
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    Honestly, I get minimal fumes from ABS. I'm not sure what people are complaining about. When I had the printer in a small room and left it printing overnight, I could smell fumes when I opened the door in the morning but even then it wasn't anything that I would consider alarming. And that's with me being a freak about 'what's that smell?' and the room having poor ventilation. I had been using it because I could (had I needed to) open the windows to let the fumes out. After all, I'd read that ABS gave off unpleasant fumes. Not really so much in reality. My wife agreed that she could smell something, but that it wasn't bad.

    Question on the CNC mill... what's the biggest heated bed that you could machine? Over 8" in X or Y? I want to do a printer that has a long-ish bed for doing hull sections on.
     
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    I can do a 12" x 5.5" heated bed. I could probably squeeze out a little more than 12", but it doesn't really matter since the copper clad boards are only 12" wide. And the 5.5 is absolute max, I would probably make it slightly smaller to give a little margin. Have you considered two 6x6 or two 8x8 boards? That would give you a bigger build area, but it would be more expensive. The raw materials for the 12 x 5.5 would only be about $10.
    Here's the heater finished. I have two elements, each designed to 3.6 Ohms. I run them in parallel on 12 volts and in series on 24 volts. Actual resistance for the series case came to 7.0 Ohms, so I'm very pleased with how close it came to the designed value.
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    The heat bed is installed and works great!. With the heat bed the PLA sticks great to the plain glass print surface. Even after I wait for it to cool down, I need a razor blade under one edge of the part to pop it loose. After reading pages and pages of people having difficulty getting their prints to stick and all the exotic substances they put on the surface, I had been a little worried. I knew the level bed of the mill would help, but I never expected it to be this easy.
    I still have more calibration to do, but for now I'm declaring that initial operational capability has been reached. Last night I printed a motor mount for my Golo and tonight I printed a rudder linkage that uses ball chain. Now I need to get back to getting my ships ready to battle.
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    I saw some ball chain gears on Thingiverse, is that what you're using?

    I have never had trouble with PLA sticking except on large prints, it tends to lift on the corners due to differential cooling in a large part. To be fair, I get that equally badly with ABS. Kapton tape helps, cleaned maybe every 20 printing hours with acetone and a lint-free rag. With PLA, I find that hair spray is great for helping the big pieces stick/resist curling. I have some humorous pics of me applying 'Big Sexy Hair' to the print bed (yes, that's the brand).