Tirpitz vs Bismarck?

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Tirpitz or Bismarck

  1. Tirpitz

    61.1%
  2. Bismarck

    38.9%
  1. Maxspin

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    New combat version.:whistling:
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  2. buttsakauf

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    Come on. That’s just an inflammatory statement. No bearing here.
     
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  3. buttsakauf

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    This is part of why the big gun clubs I have participated in dictate scale hulls and waterlines. Each ship gets a tech inspection based off of plans, Conways (and more) data, and what you have built.
     
  4. Kevin P.

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    I'm not sure why people get hung up on enforcement so often...95+% of governed parameters on ships are not measured at events, enforcement is via the captain's signature on the check in sheet that says something along the lines of 'I certify that my ship is in compliance with the rules.' This one goes into the category that a few people choose to mess it up for the majority. The number of captains that you would need to worry about pursuing an unfair advantage through something like this can probably be counted on one hand. The height of some hulls isn't questionable because the builder 'slipped while i was carrying the belt sander' or 'I marked the deck rim, but forgot to stop cutting at the rib junctions.' I think adding a clause similar to what Keith (i think) wrote is reasonable, doesn't impact the non-shady types, and removes the sea lawyer argument of 'well the rules don't say I CANT' And sure, the barristers and self-appointed rules savants will think of something new to 'exploit,' but unfortunately that's how they want to play the game and we maintain an open club. Dinner is over, time for boats
     
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  5. Panzer

    Panzer Iron Dog Shipwerks and CiderHaus

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    Hey, max if you want to build that, you are welcome to come battle it with us. We tend to worry more about battling and having fun with toy boats here than all the horse manure that can be spread on the ripening fields. So if you want to build your freighter rit large, you will always be welcome here.

    I chose Tirpitz, for the very simple reason that it's what I have in my garage already. It is the ship that Greg M. and Justin had previously.
    I am easy, I just want everyone to come play toy boats and have fun.
    See you on the water.
    Craig.☺️
     
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  6. daisycutter

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    Sooo at what rib/cross section do you measure the height?
     
  7. daisycutter

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    BIG bearing here. If you have what would be a very complex rule that is impossible to enforce you have people accusing others of CHEATING as happened with 15 degrees.
     
  8. buttsakauf

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    Difficult to enforce is more what it is. It takes intentionality. I do concede the point though. It still makes it no less inflammatory.
     
  9. Maxspin

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    IF there are captains that are intentionally building out of scale to reduce freeboard and gain a competitive then the accusation would be justified!!!
     
  10. daisycutter

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    Interesting to note I have never battled or meet you. Keyboard battling can become a slippery slope. COUNTLESS articles/discussions/practiced have been authored on where to place rudders, what shape of rudders, drive shaft location, drive shaft angulation, altering placement of armor belts, altering placement of xyz within the confines of relative scale for competitive advantage.
    Are people in your area doing so? Do you ever go to national events? Do you ever see others with your own eyes see people doing this? Where is there a problem?
    MANY MANY things are being done to reduce freeboard and they are all legal.
    A reasonable discussion is great but calling others names is going to get nowhere.
     
  11. Maxspin

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    If I am reading between the lines......
    You have built a Yamato that is..... shall we say SQUATTY?
     
  12. daisycutter

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    No I would not say so. I think she is beautiful.
    Now please answer my questions.
     
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  13. thegeek

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    Same size as mine, don't make me boot up Photoshop, lol.

    When driving a SMS Nassau, stones should not be hurled about squat, just sayin.
     
  14. jadfer

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    Based on.… what info? It looked like a yammer to me at Nats! I was there!!
     
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  15. buttsakauf

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    My personal interpretation of:
    “II.C.
    3. Hull shape shall be relatively to scale. Running gear (such as skegs and bilge keels) shall be
    relatively scale and in the correct scale location.”

    If you are intentionally removing skegs, altering hull height, making the bow abnormally blunt. Then you are knowingly doing something that is not relatively scale. Because scale is:
    “a ratio of size in a map, model, drawing, or plan.”

    While hull height is not expressly controlled. It is very much part of the overall hull shape. I believe by building a hull short in height you are using a loophole formed by laxity to disadvantage your opponents. I also think it is also not in the spirit of rules.
     
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    *emphasis mine


    humans are relatives of gibbons
     
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  17. buttsakauf

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    Relatively is an inherently flawed term to use. So much interpretation that it will create conflict between people. A clarifying statement with examples might help. Something for me to ponder for sure.
     
  18. modelshipsahoy

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    I try to ask very simple questions....

    Bismarck or Tirpitz? Seems so straight forward.

    At least no one is yelling at me this time. Lol.

    But please people, Vote in the poll between rounds. Thanks.
     
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  19. buttsakauf

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    Super guilty. Sorry about that. I cast a vote. Those who want a Bismarck are likely to call the hull what they want regardless.
     
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  20. modelshipsahoy

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    Is no problem. I learn a lot just listening to the debate. Just that my original question is lost in the fray.