Trivia!

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  1. DarrenScott

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    Bingo! All yours Anachronus.
     
  2. Kotori87

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    That's one neat piece of propulsion there, Anachronus. Sounds like an early Voith-Schneider drive.
     
  3. Anachronus

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    I need to think of something then.
     
  4. Knight4hire

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    I do not know about the "Nautilus" but the Turtle did not have a "Ram Torpedo". Though the Turtle did not sink any ships, it did scare the British out of the harbor.
     
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    No, but it had human power :)
     
  6. Anachronus

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    What ship is this and where.
     
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    ship is a US pre-dreadnought
    loc is a floating drydock!
     
  8. Anachronus

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    Right as far as it goes. A bit more please.
     
  9. Gascan

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    USS Illinois, BB-7, in a floating drydock at New Orleans exactly 85 years before I was born. There aren't many ships with side by side funnels.
     
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    Correct. The old navy yard is still there. Not really sure what is going to happen to it. The two large pilings to the right of the photo are still readily visible.
     
  11. Gascan

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    I have another picture of a ship with side by side funnels. This picture depicts part of a major literary work involving a fictional warship. However, the artist made a mistake:the fictional warship is based on a real ship that the artist did not use. What is the fictional warship and what is the real ship it is based on? Extra credit for anyone who can positively identify the ship the artist actually used.
     
  12. eljefe

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    That must be the ship described in the H.G. Wells book "War of the Worlds." It was called HMS Thunderchild and was some kind of ramming ship. It's hard to say exactly what real vessel inspired Wells, but the British ship coming closest to the book's description is probably HMS Polyphemus.

    As for the extra credit part, it looks similar to several British pre-dreadnoughts. Maybe the Majestic class?
     
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    The funnels are a bit to widely spaced but I would agree that a Majestic is closest.
     
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    The detail that jumps out at me in that CGI artwork is "wow, that ship sure is decked out in flags to be waging war on the Martians!"
     
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    I did a little research on the subject of the photo, and found some additional trivia of interest. The floating drydock that was in New Orleans was later towed to Pearl Harbor. Comparing this photo of USS Illinois with this photo of the floating drydock arriving at Pearl in 1940, it looks like it must be the same drydock.
    This is the same drydock that was heavily damaged during the Japanese attack on he harbor when USS Shaw exploded as captured in one of the most famous photos from that day.
    I wonder what became of the floating drydock YFD-2. It must have been in use for quite a long time.
     
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    It sank at PH but was repaired and returned to service. Not sure what happened to it ultimately. Surely scrapped by now.
     
  17. Gascan

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    El Jefe has it with HMS Thunderchild and HMS Polyphemus. I find it interesting how Polyphemus' huge ram bow was essentially an early bulbous bow, and had a significant effect on the hull drag. I'll also give the bonus point, because no matter how hard I look I can't find any ship that is a perfect match. The secondary casemate guns just don't match with any real ship and there are other things that suggest that the particular 3d model was inspired by history and not an accurate mode.
     
  18. eljefe

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    Here's a new question:

    US destroyers are typically named after people. In 1945, one flush-deck destroyer was commissioned without a name and was only designated by its number. What ship was this and why did it not have a name?
     
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    USS DD-224. It was the ex USS Stewart, scuttled by the retreating forces in Java, and recommissioned by the IJN as patrol boat 102. It was seen several times by the US and caused confusion as to who it belonged to. Meanwhile, a destroyer escort was commissioned with the name USS Stewart. At the end of the war, the ship was re-patriated to the USN, and since it's name was already in use, it was recommissioned with just its old hull number.
     
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    crzyhawk is correct.

    USS Stewart (DD-224) led an unusual career. The Clemsen class destroyer was completed in 1920. The ship spent most of its life in the Pacific after sailing across the Atlantic, through the Med, and across the Indian Ocean to its new port in the Philippines in 1922. The Stewart would not return to the US for 23 years!

    During its time in the Asiatic Fleet, the Stewart conducted patrols off the Chinese coast and sometimes augmented the gunboats along the Yangtse River. The Stewart was frequently in hostile territory protecting American interests as Japan waged its war on China. After December 7, Stewart participated in a few skirmishes between US and Japanese forces and took damage flooding the bow. This damage is what put the destroyer into drydock where it had to be scuttled and was captured by the Japanese.

    Believing the Stewart to be destroyed, she was struck from the Navy list in March 1942, and the name was later given to DE-238. No further thought was given to the vessel until over a year later American pilots began reporting sightings of a strange ship like the old four-piped, flush-decked US destroyers but with a Japanese trunked funnel and tripod mast. Unknown to the Americans, Japan had salvaged the Stewart almost a year after it sank, repaired the vessel and armed it with a pair of 3" guns, and returned her to service in September 1943 as Patrol Boat No. 102. The rechristened ship served with the Japanese Southwest Area Fleet, mostly on escort duty, until bombed in Korea by US planes. The ship sat out the rest of the war in Kure.

    After the Japanese surrender, the old Stewart was rediscovered and recommissioned into the US Navy. Since another ship was now called Stewart, the ship was simply called DD-224 and nicknamed "RAMP-224" by the crew, standing for "Recovered Allied Military Personnel." The old ship was returned to US waters despite an engine failure that required a tow all the way from Guam. After finally reaching San Francisco, DD-224 was decommissioned in May 1946 and sunk as an aircraft target.
    This page has some photos of what the Stewart looked like after Japanese modifications, as well as some interesting news clippings of its history.

    http://www.navsource.org/archives/05/224.htm
     
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