Nassau scratch build

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  1. Maxspin

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    I have always liked the characteristics of the High Seas Fleet over the Allies dreadnoughts. I have also had an itch to scratch build a boat.
    I was not originally going to do a build thread, but since I may have some questions of those who run these regularly I will go ahead and do it.

    I am not going to run through how to lay out ribs. It has been covered better than I could do at:

    On the Ways: Bearn CV
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    Lay out past cut...
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    Assemble glue (using Tite Bond III)
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    At this point I see my first errors.
    Front rib is not required (cut it out)
    Now I am down to (10) ribs. I am allowed (12). Add (2) more in bow area. (this would have been much easier before glue up)
     
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    I plan on using a gear box in the water channel.
    Here is a picture of the lay up for the prop shaft. You can also see where I was playing with a BIC. I have made no gun decision at this point.
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    I used 1" balsa to fill between the ribs. 3/4" would have worked.
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    By putting the blocks at a sleight angle from the waterline to the water channel I will create water flow to reduce listing.
     
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    Rough trim with knife (sorry no picture) Sand with sanding block to shape.
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    Note helper, hole digger, chewer.....
     
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    Aft hard area was made with hard wood. I had Maple on hand. This will give nice solid structure to mount rudders in.
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    Double check on the water line showed error #2. Needs to be cut at pen line. Dang 1" balsa.
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    Start carving. Wish I knew where I got this Dremel bit. I can't find them any more.
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    Much better.
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    something like this?
     
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    YES!!!
    More carving will be needed
     
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    Oops, the shank on those might be too large. This might be better
     
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    A quick look at the planned layout.
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    I only have (1) battery as of now. I will be using one on either side of the CO2 tank. I am planning on a stern sidemount, a bow sidmount and use one of the wing turrets for either an aft or a 15% aft with down angle. Batteries and CO2 center located for balance. Prop will be a 1 3/4" drive, with (2) drag props.

    I really like the ServoCity servo mounts. I will be using a set again for Nassau. Still working out the gearing for the rudders.
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    I found the the Battlers Connection GB300 gearbox will bolt up to 450 size heli brushless motor.
    Still deciding what I am going to use for a pump. Most likely brushless.
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    Battery pack. I am looking at the Zippy LiFe 4200. They are more expensive than I like. Looking for suggestions.
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    Worked on turning this weekend.
    First I cut the drag props and rudders. Drag props made from some scrap 1/8" fiberglass. I made a set at 1 3/4" and 1 1/2". I will have to see how the 1 3/4" drag props fit.
    Rudders are made from sandwiched 1/8" plywood. Bend the end of 1/8" brass rod. Trace and cut to fit then glue the 3 pieces together.
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    Once the glue dries, sand to shape.

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    CASEMATES

    Here is how I intend to build the casemates. I am using Goff drawings, since I want to be legal I will show what I intend before I get started.
    The casement is 5/8" tall, so I intend to make the openings 1/2" with a 1/8" cap.
    Here is what I traced.
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    Here is how it lays on the model.

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    I will try one more time.
    Here is the rule in question:


    16. On ships which have casemate mounted guns, the cupolas may be constructed of impenetrable material. A 1/8" wide strip on each side of the cupola may also be impenetrable. If a flat bulkhead area between cupolas is inset more than 1/2" from the edge of the gunwale the entire casemate area (cupolas and all flat bulkhead areas inset greater than 1/2") may be made impenetrable.



    Here is the application: it measures 1/2" on the drawing. SOLID!
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    Because it is a Geoff drawing..... I would rather hear protest now than pond side......
     
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    Answer a question with a question. Look at my photo and reply. You get to be solid past 1/2", but if it comes back under 1/2" then it needs to open up again. This might be the case here. I know on my QE the casement level is open at the bow, goes solid, opens back up again.
     

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    On the Goff drawing it is 1/2" in the yellow "exactly". My model would need to have the "solid" area shaved down about 1/16" to get it to 1/2". It would not be dificult to make it open if I did it now. I don't trust the Goff drawing.

    I will choose to go with the when in doubt leave it open. We are only talking about an inch in the casement.
     
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    Mark roe helped me redo the VDT and i am going with your thought, ill open her up as much as i can becuz anyway i look its more fun sinking than to worry about upsetting anyone.
     
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    Parts to play with.
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    You may be wondering what Zebra wrapping paper has to do with a boat???
    Its not the paper, it’s the cardboard tube. I have been making the stacks this way for years. Very light and durable.
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    First I place a spacer to get oval shape. Then use two layers of fiberglass.
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    First layer is a courser layer for strength. Sand out the rough spThen a fine layer for better visual.
    I learned after the first attempt years ago to make sure to leave excess to cut off.
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    Once they are cut to length drop them in water, and scrape off the soggy cardboard tube.
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    Back to Casements. Its like putting a puzzle together.
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    Starting to look like a ship.
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    Measure, cut, sand, glue, sand, measure, cut sand, glue, sand, measure, cut, sand, glue, sand.
    I am developing an irrational hatred of guys with 3D printers.
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    On an interesting note. There must not be good prints for this boat. Doing a search for Nassau/Westfallen models, it is interesting to note the different interpretations of superstructure. I will capture the elements that stand out, and keep everything else fairly basic.